Windows 2000 98SE upgrade to 2000

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I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't get
heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a workout
(ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).

I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a few
years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I want
to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student to put
on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is always best,
but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in starting him over
from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best thing.

His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
programs... his graphics files and such are on D.

How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?

How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?

Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep all
the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP machines
are also FAT.

Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?

Anything else I'm not thinking of?
 
"Jess Fertudei" <not@this.juncture.com> wrote in message
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>I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't
>get heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a
>workout (ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).
>
> I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a few
> years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
> considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I want
> to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student to put
> on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is always best,
> but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in starting him over
> from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best thing.
>
> His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
> programs... his graphics files and such are on D.
>
> How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?
>
> How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?
>
> Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep all
> the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP machines
> are also FAT.
>
> Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?
>
> Anything else I'm not thinking of?

You would get a far better and more robust installation if you
did not upgrade but installed Win2000 on a freshly formatted
partition. 5 GBytes is plenty for Win2000, provided you keep
all user data on drive D:.

Remember to back up all user files, including your EMail
files, before going ahead.

Win2000 does not have a System Restore facility.
 
And why Fat, ntfs is more efficient (spacewise) & robust & if you dont use
win9* theres little point

"Jess Fertudei" <not@this.juncture.com> wrote in message
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>I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't
>get heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a
>workout (ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).
>
> I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a few
> years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
> considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I want
> to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student to put
> on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is always best,
> but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in starting him over
> from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best thing.
>
> His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
> programs... his graphics files and such are on D.
>
> How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?
>
> How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?
>
> Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep all
> the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP machines
> are also FAT.
>
> Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?
>
> Anything else I'm not thinking of?
>
>
>
>
>
 
PS Office 2007 H&S requires 1.5gb free to install, there is no mention of
win2k being a supported o/s requirements
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA101668651033.aspx#4

"Jess Fertudei" <not@this.juncture.com> wrote in message
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>I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't
>get heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a
>workout (ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).
>
> I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a few
> years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
> considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I want
> to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student to put
> on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is always best,
> but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in starting him over
> from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best thing.
>
> His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
> programs... his graphics files and such are on D.
>
> How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?
>
> How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?
>
> Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep all
> the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP machines
> are also FAT.
>
> Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?
>
> Anything else I'm not thinking of?
>
>
>
>
>
 
"Jess Fertudei" <not@this.juncture.com> wrote in message
news:euUzF7WmIHA.4332@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't
get
> heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a workout
> (ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).
>
> I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a few
> years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
> considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I want
> to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student to put
> on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is always best,
> but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in starting him over
> from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best thing.
>
> His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
> programs... his graphics files and such are on D.
>
> How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?
>
> How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?
>
> Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep all
> the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP machines
> are also FAT.
>
> Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?
>
> Anything else I'm not thinking of?
>
>
>
>


Not a good idea. If you do not have time to do a clean install...
then you certainly do not have the time to repair the damage and upgrade
*could* do.

Though a properly prepped win98 installation might be upgradable with no
problems...
there is a good chance you'd be left with problems. They could be
minor...but they could be major.

If Win2k is installed cleanly...there are unlikely to be any problems at
all.


Note: You can use the win2k upgrade cd to perform a clean install if you
still have your win98 cd . The win98 cd will serve
as qualifying product.

When installing win2k you have a choice of either fat32 or NTFS.



BTW: Once win2k is installed it is essential that you apply sp4 (if the cd
does not already have it integrated)
Next, install IE6 and then go to the Windows update page and apply all
critical updates. There will be a lot of them...
but I would not use the machine until it's updated.

Some folks recommend installing a virus checker before even putting the
machine on-line
 
Office 2007 is not supported on Windows 2000.

"Jess Fertudei" <not@this.juncture.com> wrote in message
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:I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't
get
: heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a workout
: (ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).
:
: I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a few
: years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
: considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I want
: to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student to put
: on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is always best,
: but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in starting him over
: from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best thing.
:
: His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
: programs... his graphics files and such are on D.
:
: How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?
:
: How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?
:
: Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep all
: the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP machines
: are also FAT.
:
: Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?
:
: Anything else I'm not thinking of?
:
:
:
:
:
 
Be advised that upgrades from win9x almost always fail for any number of
reasons. Save yourself some time and trouble, given that you'll more than
likely end up with an unstable OS with all the remnants/ corruption left
behind from the upgrade. Best to blow it all away and go for the clean
install.

To do a clean install, either boot the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom or setup
disks. The set of four install disks can be created from your Windows 2000
CD-Rom change to the \bootdisk directory on the CD-Rom and execute
makeboot.exe (from dos) or makebt32.exe (from 32 bit) and follow the
prompts.

(Note: If your drive controller is not natively supported then you'll want
to boot the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. Then *F6* very early and very
important (at setup is inspecting your system) in the setup to prevent drive
controller detection, and select S to specify additional drivers. Then later
you'll be prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied Windows 2000 driver
for your drive controller in drive "A")

Setup inspects your computer's hardware configuration and then begins to
install the Setup and driver files. When the Windows 2000 Professional
screen appears, press ENTER to set up Windows 2000 Professional.

Read the license agreement, and then press the F8 key to accept the terms of
the license agreement and continue the installation.

When the Windows 2000 Professional Setup screen appears, all the existing
partitions and the unpartitioned spaces are listed for each physical hard
disk. Use the ARROW keys to select the partitions Press D to delete an
existing partition, If you press D to delete an existing partition, you must
then press L (or press ENTER, and then press L if it is the System
partition) to confirm that you want to delete the partition. Repeat this
step for each of the existing partitions When all the partitions are deleted
press F3 to exit setup, (to avoid unexpected drive letter assignments with
your new install) then restart the pc then when you get to this point in
setup again select the unpartitioned space, and then press C to create a new
partition and specify the size (if required). Windows will by default use
all available space.

Be sure to apply SP4 and these two below to your new install before
connecting to any network. Internet included. (sasser, msblast)
http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6/A/E6A04295-D2A8-40D0-A0C5-241BFECD095E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-043.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.mspx

Then

Rollup 1 for Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CF-8850-4531-B52B-BF28B324C662&displaylang=en

During Windows 2000 setup, at some point, will want to confirm the previous
operating system for the upgrade at that point you'll simply insert the
qualified product install CD for it to verify. Then the install will
proceed.

Check the pc, mb or hardware manufacturer's web site for the latest bios and
or Windows 2000 drivers for your devices.

No restore in Windows 2000. Always best to use the native file system NTFS


--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Jess Fertudei" wrote:
>I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't
>get heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a
>workout (ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).
>
> I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a few
> years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
> considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I want
> to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student to put
> on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is always best,
> but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in starting him over
> from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best thing.
>
> His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
> programs... his graphics files and such are on D.
>
> How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?
>
> How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?
>
> Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep all
> the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP machines
> are also FAT.
>
> Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?
>
> Anything else I'm not thinking of?
>
>
>
>
>
 
Thanks for everyone's suggestions.

Installing all of his apps from scratch again really isn't an option at this
point. Can't go to work and drive the parent taxi and still invest that many
hours... heck... just reinstalling the plug-ins for his graphic apps would
take an entire day. I guess he's stuck with what he has.

This sucks.






"Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uAM03UemIHA.3532@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Be advised that upgrades from win9x almost always fail for any number of
> reasons. Save yourself some time and trouble, given that you'll more than
> likely end up with an unstable OS with all the remnants/ corruption left
> behind from the upgrade. Best to blow it all away and go for the clean
> install.
>
> To do a clean install, either boot the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom or
> setup disks. The set of four install disks can be created from your
> Windows 2000 CD-Rom change to the \bootdisk directory on the CD-Rom and
> execute makeboot.exe (from dos) or makebt32.exe (from 32 bit) and follow
> the prompts.
>
> (Note: If your drive controller is not natively supported then you'll want
> to boot the Windows 2000 install CD-Rom. Then *F6* very early and very
> important (at setup is inspecting your system) in the setup to prevent
> drive controller detection, and select S to specify additional drivers.
> Then later you'll be prompted to insert the manufacturer supplied Windows
> 2000 driver for your drive controller in drive "A")
>
> Setup inspects your computer's hardware configuration and then begins to
> install the Setup and driver files. When the Windows 2000 Professional
> screen appears, press ENTER to set up Windows 2000 Professional.
>
> Read the license agreement, and then press the F8 key to accept the terms
> of the license agreement and continue the installation.
>
> When the Windows 2000 Professional Setup screen appears, all the existing
> partitions and the unpartitioned spaces are listed for each physical hard
> disk. Use the ARROW keys to select the partitions Press D to delete an
> existing partition, If you press D to delete an existing partition, you
> must then press L (or press ENTER, and then press L if it is the System
> partition) to confirm that you want to delete the partition. Repeat this
> step for each of the existing partitions When all the partitions are
> deleted press F3 to exit setup, (to avoid unexpected drive letter
> assignments with your new install) then restart the pc then when you get
> to this point in setup again select the unpartitioned space, and then
> press C to create a new partition and specify the size (if required).
> Windows will by default use all available space.
>
> Be sure to apply SP4 and these two below to your new install before
> connecting to any network. Internet included. (sasser, msblast)
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/E/6/A/E6A04295-D2A8-40D0-A0C5-241BFECD095E/W2KSP4_EN.EXE
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-043.mspx
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-049.mspx
>
> Then
>
> Rollup 1 for Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CF-8850-4531-B52B-BF28B324C662&displaylang=en
>
> During Windows 2000 setup, at some point, will want to confirm the
> previous operating system for the upgrade at that point you'll simply
> insert the qualified product install CD for it to verify. Then the install
> will proceed.
>
> Check the pc, mb or hardware manufacturer's web site for the latest bios
> and or Windows 2000 drivers for your devices.
>
> No restore in Windows 2000. Always best to use the native file system NTFS
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
> "Jess Fertudei" wrote:
>>I have several machines that have 98SE on them. One in particular didn't
>>get heavy use, but now the 14 yr. old is doing his best to give it a
>>workout (ASUS A7V600X-E Sempron2400 w/ 512 PC3200DDR).
>>
>> I have a copy of 2000 Pro Upgrade here that I was going to use quite a
>> few years back, but never did (went with XP for that machine) and I was
>> considering putting it on his machine for a number of reasons (like I
>> want to add NAS to my wired router and I want to buy Office 2007 Student
>> to put on there for him and etc.) I am aware that a clean install is
>> always best, but in this instance I do not have the time to invest in
>> starting him over from scratch so I may do an upgrade as the next best
>> thing.
>>
>> His C drive is 13G and he currently uses about 8.5G for windows and
>> programs... his graphics files and such are on D.
>>
>> How much further will 2000 gobble up his C drive as an Upgrade?
>>
>> How about space needed to put Office Student 07 over 97Pro?
>>
>> Will it install to a FAT (was 98SE FAT32?) drive? I would like to keep
>> all the machines in the house using the same file format and so my XP
>> machines are also FAT.
>>
>> Does 2000 have the same Restore Points as XP Home?
>>
>> Anything else I'm not thinking of?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
 
Jess Fertudei wrote:
> Thanks for everyone's suggestions.
>
> Installing all of his apps from scratch again really isn't an option at this
> point. Can't go to work and drive the parent taxi and still invest that many
> hours... heck... just reinstalling the plug-ins for his graphic apps would
> take an entire day. I guess he's stuck with what he has.
>
> This sucks.

In my experience, re-installation is rarely (well never actually)
anything like the problem that it first appears to be once you knuckle
down to it.

Take a little time to dig up all the latest drivers that you need and
put them on a CD. Go through the existing system and see what
apps/utilities you actually *need* to re-install and which you can
discard (I'd be surprised if you can't discard at least 50% from a
system that's been in service for as long as Win98 implies). Gather the
install media for the needed installs (plus any updates).

Prioritize the remaining installs: those that are needed almost
immediately (say after OS installation, driver install and major
security fixes) secondary installs, that can wait until all upgrades
and patches are done and you have run a couple of days and are confident
in the stability of the installation programs that can be installed
later on an "as needed" ( or "if needed") basis.

Given a little time here and there on the preparatory work, I've never
found the actual install to take more than a couple of hours. Little
more than the time taken for an upgrade and it is *certainly* the best
way to a stable system.
 
Sid Elbow wrote:

> Jess Fertudei wrote:
>
>> Thanks for everyone's suggestions.
>>
>> Installing all of his apps from scratch again really isn't an option
>> at this point. Can't go to work and drive the parent taxi and still
>> invest that many hours... heck... just reinstalling the plug-ins for
>> his graphic apps would take an entire day. I guess he's stuck with
>> what he has.
>>
>> This sucks.
>
>
> In my experience, re-installation is rarely (well never actually)
> anything like the problem that it first appears to be once you knuckle
> down to it.
>
> Take a little time to dig up all the latest drivers that you need and
> put them on a CD. Go through the existing system and see what
> apps/utilities you actually *need* to re-install and which you can
> discard (I'd be surprised if you can't discard at least 50% from a
> system that's been in service for as long as Win98 implies). Gather the
> install media for the needed installs (plus any updates).
>
> Prioritize the remaining installs: those that are needed almost
> immediately (say after OS installation, driver install and major
> security fixes) secondary installs, that can wait until all upgrades
> and patches are done and you have run a couple of days and are confident
> in the stability of the installation programs that can be installed
> later on an "as needed" ( or "if needed") basis.
>
> Given a little time here and there on the preparatory work, I've never
> found the actual install to take more than a couple of hours. Little
> more than the time taken for an upgrade and it is *certainly* the best
> way to a stable system.


The case that the intended operating system doesn't support the desired
installation of Office 2007 can't be fixed.
 
Bob I wrote:

> The case that the intended operating system doesn't support the desired
> installation of Office 2007 can't be fixed.

Sure, but remaining with Win98 won't help that and Office 2007 was only
one of the reasons the OP gave for wanting to upgrade.
 
Those old machines really aren't worth the bother. It's time for new
hardware anyway and this way you can take the time to do it right.



--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Jess Fertudei" wrote:
> Thanks for everyone's suggestions.
>
> Installing all of his apps from scratch again really isn't an option at
> this point. Can't go to work and drive the parent taxi and still invest
> that many hours... heck... just reinstalling the plug-ins for his graphic
> apps would take an entire day. I guess he's stuck with what he has.
>
> This sucks.
 
I don't see the hardware I listed as being an issue here. Maybe I'm missing
something.

Where should I see a Sempron 2400 (1.6G) machine as 'not worth the bother'?
It'll handle just about anything an everyday family user asks of it.
Bleeding edge software or very latest games it might not do, I guess, but...
It runs his demanding graphics and photo editing software just fine as well
as all of it's plug-ins, Empires, his favorite game web-sites and such. I
would like to run a later version of Office for his homework needs but I
don't see more than 1.6G or a dual or quad core as essential to that,
either.

It has only 512M of DDR, but I can slap another couple of sticks in it when
I get ready to upgrade.

I'll have to think about XP as an Upgrade, I guess. My understanding is that
it handles upgrades rather well.



Thanks to everyone who contributed.







"Dave Patrick" <DSPatrick@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Those old machines really aren't worth the bother. It's time for new
> hardware anyway and this way you can take the time to do it right.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
> Microsoft Certified Professional
> Microsoft MVP [Windows]
> http://www.microsoft.com/protect
>
> "Jess Fertudei" wrote:
>> Thanks for everyone's suggestions.
>>
>> Installing all of his apps from scratch again really isn't an option at
>> this point. Can't go to work and drive the parent taxi and still invest
>> that many hours... heck... just reinstalling the plug-ins for his graphic
>> apps would take an entire day. I guess he's stuck with what he has.
>>
>> This sucks.
>
 
Typically any hardware that's been around since the days of Win9x is ready
to be retired. Upgrading from the hybrid 16/32 bit OS to the NT kernel is
more than likely to be problematic for any number of reasons.



--

Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Jess Fertudei" wrote:
>I don't see the hardware I listed as being an issue here. Maybe I'm missing
>something.
>
> Where should I see a Sempron 2400 (1.6G) machine as 'not worth the
> bother'? It'll handle just about anything an everyday family user asks of
> it. Bleeding edge software or very latest games it might not do, I guess,
> but... It runs his demanding graphics and photo editing software just fine
> as well as all of it's plug-ins, Empires, his favorite game web-sites and
> such. I would like to run a later version of Office for his homework needs
> but I don't see more than 1.6G or a dual or quad core as essential to
> that, either.
>
> It has only 512M of DDR, but I can slap another couple of sticks in it
> when I get ready to upgrade.
>
> I'll have to think about XP as an Upgrade, I guess. My understanding is
> that it handles upgrades rather well.
>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone who contributed.
 
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