64 Bit 1.5 Terabyte SATA drive super slow

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Rahul

I just bought a new 1.5 Terabyte drive for my machine and the performance

just crashed.



It is a "Western Digital Caviar Green" ( Manufacturer part#

"WD15EARS" )



Accourding to specs. it's a 7200 rpm SATA with 64 k cache. Just wondering

if any other people have noticed issues with this or similar drives. Or are

large drives just slow?



I was used to using a 130 GB 15k RPM SAS drive before. Is the performance

difference so drastic between SAS and SATA? Or large versus small drives.

Or 7200 rpm versus 15k RPM.



Another mistake I might have done is that I just made one huge partition.

Could that be my performance killer?





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Rahul
 
You have a large drive running on slow machine. what is the spec of your

system?







"Rahul" wrote in message

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>I just bought a new 1.5 Terabyte drive for my machine and the performance

> just crashed.

>

> It is a "Western Digital Caviar Green" ( Manufacturer part#

> "WD15EARS" )

>

> Accourding to specs. it's a 7200 rpm SATA with 64 k cache. Just wondering

> if any other people have noticed issues with this or similar drives. Or

> are

> large drives just slow?

>

> I was used to using a 130 GB 15k RPM SAS drive before. Is the performance

> difference so drastic between SAS and SATA? Or large versus small drives.

> Or 7200 rpm versus 15k RPM.

>

> Another mistake I might have done is that I just made one huge partition.

> Could that be my performance killer?

>

>

> --

> Rahul
 
15,000 rpm drives are usually associated with SCSI &/or enterprise

systems,typically these hd are under 100GB.The smaller the hd the better

the performance..



"Rahul" wrote:



> I just bought a new 1.5 Terabyte drive for my machine and the performance

> just crashed.

>

> It is a "Western Digital Caviar Green" ( Manufacturer part#

> "WD15EARS" )

>

> Accourding to specs. it's a 7200 rpm SATA with 64 k cache. Just wondering

> if any other people have noticed issues with this or similar drives. Or are

> large drives just slow?

>

> I was used to using a 130 GB 15k RPM SAS drive before. Is the performance

> difference so drastic between SAS and SATA? Or large versus small drives.

> Or 7200 rpm versus 15k RPM.

>

> Another mistake I might have done is that I just made one huge partition.

> Could that be my performance killer?

>

>

> --

> Rahul

> .

>
 
Rahul wrote:

> I just bought a new 1.5 Terabyte drive for my machine and the performance

> just crashed.

>

> It is a "Western Digital Caviar Green" ( Manufacturer part#

> "WD15EARS" )

>

> Accourding to specs. it's a 7200 rpm SATA with 64 k cache. Just wondering

> if any other people have noticed issues with this or similar drives. Or are

> large drives just slow?

>

> I was used to using a 130 GB 15k RPM SAS drive before. Is the performance

> difference so drastic between SAS and SATA? Or large versus small drives.

> Or 7200 rpm versus 15k RPM.

>

> Another mistake I might have done is that I just made one huge partition.

> Could that be my performance killer?

>

>




Your mistake may have been buying that drive. Did you

read the reviews first ? There is something not quite

right with that model. Maybe it is all a matter of

"user error". Perhaps the instructions that came with

the drive, were not enough of an education campaign.

Or, it could be that it actually has some firmware issues.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=22-136-513



The drive has a native 4K block size ("Advanced Format"), so this

drive is part of the "new wave" of drives. One reviewer also comments that

the drive is 5400RPM (not stated in description, because it would scare

customers). For RPM rate here, it says "Intellipower", and I guess

if they can't state a number or conditions, it means they have

something to hide. You could always use the free version of HDTune

from hdtune.com and check the seek rate and see what RPM speed that

result is consistent with.



http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/SpecSheet/ENG/2879-701229.pdf



With regard to the Advanced Format 4KB sized sectors, you should be

reading this article, on what to do. There is a jumper to insert

before using the drive. Or alternately, a utility to use to prepare

the drive.



http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3691



Even after the drive has been prepared, I'd still test it

thoroughly, to see whether it has any performance problems.

The drive might still have some kind of firmware problem.



I like the Newegg reviews, because they can give you an

early warning about products to avoid.



Good luck,

Paul
 
"ybS2okj" wrote in

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> You have a large drive running on slow machine. what is the spec of

> your system?




The machine is not slow per se. AMD Opteron procs. 2.2 GHz. 8 cores total.

(Dual socket Quad cores) 16 GB RAM.



Besides, the machine was blazing fast when I was using my 130 Gig SAS 15k

RPM drive.



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Rahul
 
=?Utf-8?B?QW5kcmV3IEUu?= wrote in news:E2A3842B-9166-

4BC7-8391-A9279393887B@microsoft.com:



> 15,000 rpm drives are usually associated with SCSI &/or enterprise

> systems,typically these hd are under 100GB.The smaller the hd the better

> the performance..

>




Do you think it will be better if I run the OS from the fast SAS drive and

store docs on the larger SATA?



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Rahul
 
Rahul wrote:

> The machine is not slow per se. AMD Opteron procs. 2.2 GHz. 8 cores

> total. (Dual socket Quad cores) 16 GB RAM.

>

> Besides, the machine was blazing fast when I was using my 130 Gig

> SAS 15k RPM drive.




You have that hardware and replaced a SAS drive with a SATA?!



Really?!



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MS-MVP

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On 2/28/2010 20:42, Rahul wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?QW5kcmV3IEUu?= wrote in news:E2A3842B-9166-

> 4BC7-8391-A9279393887B@microsoft.com:

>

>> 15,000 rpm drives are usually associated with SCSI&/or enterprise

>> systems,typically these hd are under 100GB.The smaller the hd the better

>> the performance..

>>


>

> Do you think it will be better if I run the OS from the fast SAS drive and

> store docs on the larger SATA?




I would. I have Windows and all programs installed on a small 10k rpm

IDE drive, and use a couple of larger 7.2k rpm drives for user data. At

one time, I had to run a clone of the system off one of the slower 7200

rpm drives, while the 10k drive was being RMAed, and the performance hit

was very noticeable.



The system will boot and shut down faster. Programs load faster. Paging

file I/O, a major performance consideration, is faster. To a lesser

extent reading/writing to %temp% folders, TIF, log files, etc..it all

adds up..
 
"Shenan Stanley" wrote in news:uHVdcGOuKHA.5036

@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:



> You have that hardware and replaced a SAS drive with a SATA?!

>

> Really?!




Yes. :( 130 Gigs wasn't enough to accomodate all the accounts that needed

to be on it.



Any smarter way out? I don't see the obvious soultion maybe.



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Rahul
 
Bill Blanton wrote in news:eFO81dOuKHA.5036

@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:



> I would. I have Windows and all programs installed on a small 10k rpm

> IDE drive, and use a couple of larger 7.2k rpm drives for user data. At

> one time, I had to run a clone of the system off one of the slower 7200

> rpm drives, while the 10k drive was being RMAed, and the performance hit

> was very noticeable.

>




Maybe I will do that then! Is there a way during the install that I could

tell the system to move the user storage to the SATA drive? Or is that just

moving MyDocs?



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Rahul
 
Paul wrote in news:hma831$c9m$1@speranza.aioe.org:



> Your mistake may have been buying that drive. Did you

> read the reviews first ? There is something not quite

> right with that model. Maybe it is all a matter of

> "user error". Perhaps the instructions that came with

> the drive, were not enough of an education campaign.

> Or, it could be that it actually has some firmware issues.




I saw the jumpers and the WDAlign instructions. But it did not mention any

of the WinServer editions at all. It had XP, Win7 and Vista mentioned as

the affected systems. Hard to say if they just forgot the server crowd

or...?



Maybe I will try the jumpers still.....



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Rahul
 
Rahul wrote:

> Paul wrote in news:hma831$c9m$1@speranza.aioe.org:

>

>> something to hide. You could always use the free version of HDTune

>> from hdtune.com and check the seek rate and see what RPM speed that

>> result is consistent with.


>

> I'm not sure what is a "good" result but here's what I got from hdtune:

>

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>

> Do any of the stats. look super slow?

>




I use version 2.55 (free version), so haven't really looked at the Pro version.



The "Benchmark" graph (hdtune5.png) appears to go from 0 to 64MB and measures 165MB/sec.

The box labeled "cache" is checked. That test appears to be testing

the cache on the drive controller, rather than the entire drive. Still,

it proves your interface cable is running faster than SATA I rates. Some

storage devices manage 220MB/sec on cable limited tests at SATA II rates.

Not a big deal.



To check your hdtune4 graph result, I'd have to find some "Atto" benchmarks

of some other drives. That would take a while to find some good ones.



OK, this thread has some Atto examples. Perhaps you can change your settings

or something, and rerun the hdtune4 graph.



http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=21897



Your hdtune2.png graph, another "benchmark" type graph, is a bit bumpy.

Drawing a line through the graph, your range is about 90MB/sec down to

about 45MB/sec. My new Seagate 500GB single platter drive does 130MB/sec

down to about 70MB/sec. Some of the "bumpy" behavior in the graph, is

due to sector sparing, where bad blocks are replaced with local spares.

Another quirk I've noticed, is one bump in the graph appears to occur

as the benchmark test passes over the pagefile, if the drive happens

to be your OS drive.



Your average access time from hdtune2.png, is 16.3ms. My 7200RPM 500GB

drive is 14.1ms, and Seagate drives tend to be a bit of a slouch. So you're

a bit slow there. The drive might not be staying fully at 7200RPM for

the whole benchmark.



In your hdtune1.png picture (a test option I don't have in the free version),

you have one suspicious dot at 400 milliseconds. For that to happen, a sector

would need to be retried a number of times. Hard drives are set up to

do many many retries (which is why ordinary disks don't make good RAID

drives). The RE3 versions of drives, cost more than ordinary drives, and

one of the differences is reduction in the timeout value before the

drive stops trying to read a bad sector (which, as far as I know, is just

a simple firmware change). The timeout could be on the

order of 5 seconds on a RE3 type of drive, and longer on

ordinary drives.



Based on my untrained eye, there isn't that much wrong with the drive.

Personally, when I get a new drive, I expect the hdtune2.png to be

relatively smooth. I find after about six months usage of a drive,

it starts to get bumpy like the curve for your brand new drive.

And at that point, there could be lots of spared out sectors.

Even a new drive has spared sectors, but not quite as many.

If you have enough of those "400ms" delay cases, it wouldn't take

too many of those while you're working, to really ruin the

performance. On my random access test result, I have one dot

at 33ms, which is the highest point in my scatter plot and stands

out a bit from the other dots.



So your results aren't "broken", but they're not particular

appetizing either :-)



This is my Seagate ST3500418AS, 500GB 7200RPM drive. It was

selected based on price, rather than being a stellar performer.

The sequential transfer rate is pretty good, compared to some

of my older drives. Some of the older drives only get about half

the sequential transfer rate.



http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6982/hdtunebenchmark500gbst3.png



Price is currently $55.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395



This is an older Seagate. Average access time is a bit slower.

The reason I'm posting this one, is to show the "zoned" behavior

of the disk. The disk is divided into zones, so the transfer

rate is not intended to be a smooth curve, but rather a stair-step

function. This benchmark isn't too bumpy, but that particular

drive is a lot worse now (which is why it got replaced several

months ago).



http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6494/hdtunebenchmarkst380011.png



Paul
 
On 3/1/2010 02:22, Rahul wrote:

> Bill Blanton wrote in news:eFO81dOuKHA.5036

> @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

>

>> I would. I have Windows and all programs installed on a small 10k rpm

>> IDE drive, and use a couple of larger 7.2k rpm drives for user data. At

>> one time, I had to run a clone of the system off one of the slower 7200

>> rpm drives, while the 10k drive was being RMAed, and the performance hit

>> was very noticeable.

>>


>

> Maybe I will do that then! Is there a way during the install that I could

> tell the system to move the user storage to the SATA drive? Or is that just

> moving MyDocs?




Not during the install, afaik, but you can move it to another drive.

Right-click > properties.
 
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