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Hi Plodr, Thanks for your succinct yet very informative and helpful answer.

Hi, My 'Patch Tuesday' updates for May downloaded and installed with no issues. However, the latest issue of a computer mageazine to which I subscribe included a small article on a security issue for which Microsoft had released updates. Both the article and information I found on-line was unclear as to whether or not I need to do anything. My system is Windows 7 SP1 64bit. Microsoft have released two updates concerning the potential security issue: they are KB4499164 which is the monthly roll-up and which was included in the 'Patch Tuesday' updates so is already on my system and KB4499175 described as 'Security only' and is not on my system. What I am unsure about is, if I have KB4499164 do I need KB4499175 as well. Logic suggests that KB4499164 would already contain the security features of the 'Security only' KB4499175 but Microsoft is not always logical. I have downloaded KB4499175 but not installed it so I am ready if I need it or can remove it if I don't. I'd be grateful if one of the forum's experts could confirm or otherwise whether it is necessary to have both updates. Thanks.

Hi AWS, Thanks - that's reassuring

Hi, As I propose not to move on to Windows 10 next January when Microsoft support for Windows 7 but to disable the internet in Windows 7 and rely on Lubuntu 18.04 (which I have dual booting with Windows 7), I am concerned about the position of my One Drive and Outlook.com accounts. I have posted a query on the Microsoft Community Forum but have had no replies. I access my Outlook email account via the Thunderbird email client and this works well in Lubuntu and Windows 7 - if I need to I can also access the account directly on the web. My One Drive account synchronises with a folder in my Windows 7 system - I realise that this synchronisation is not normally possible with a folder in the Lubuntu system (although, apparently, there is a third party program that allows some sort of synchronisation between One Drive and Linux systems albeit not 100% effective). I would be happy to be able to maintain the present level of Lubuntu links with my Outlook.com and One Drive accounts when my Windows 7 links are no longer possible when the internet connection in Windows 7 is disabled. My query is, when Windows 7 has no internet connection, will Microsoft allow me to keep my One Drive and Outlook.com accounts open albeit with some reduction in facilities using Lubuntu particularly with regard to file synchronisation in One Drive?

UPDATE: No more Schannel errors to report (although in stating this I'm probably tempting fate). My guess is that Dropbox, Avast (for which the servers of both are contacted during startup) or possibly my ISP had security certificates that had lapsed and so were temporarily not valid until the matter had been addressed. Hopefully all is OK now. Cheers.

Hi Tony, Thanks for the links. A second startup of the system has also resulted in no errors so I am hoping it was all a temporary blip. The links you provided give rather complicated information including registry editing details - for the moment I don't want to attempt that as I'm still unsure what triggered the errors. As, for the time being at least, the errors have stopped it think I will hold fire as far as the computer is concerned but do a bit more on-line investigation. Cheers.

Hi Tony, Thanks for getting back - I wondered about that. I suspect now that it might be my anti-virus (Avast Free) - there was a program update recently. Another possibility is Dropbox as that sometimes causes other minor errors. Anyway it doesn't seem to be serious and is not consistent - I'm guessing something isn't responding quickly enough during the boot process or sufficient resources aren't immediately available. Cheers.

Hi Tony, Yes I do use Firefox (version 66.0.3). When I booted up today (on my first session of the day and in which I am at present typing this response to your post), there were no Schannel errors. The previous errors have only occurred during the boot process and, as illustrated by today's first session, not every boot. Is there a not too drastic way I can check if Firefox is the culprit? The browser runs normally when I access it and no further errors are created. To me, when the error occurs during the boot process, it seems that the system is trying to do something, fails and then has another go which might fail again and so on (hence the string of repeated errors from two or three to five or more in a single boot operation). If it can determined it is Firefox, is there anything I can do or is it best just ignored? Thanks.

Hi: Just recently I have been getting a series of Schannel errors in the Event Viewer when I check after a fresh startup of Windows 7. They are always identical but vary in number - sometimes there are three, sometimes more and sometimes none show. There's nothing I can pin down that might be causing the errors and the system appears to be running normally in other respects. I know I can get a bit neurotic about Event Viewer errors, as indicated in previous posts I have made in other threads but I am getting a bit more philosophical about Event Viewer warnings and errors and have learned to accept that some will just happen from time to time without there being any real problem. These errors, however, have suddenly begun to appear after most system restarts and make me feel a little apprehensive. Are they harmless or might they indicate a more serious problem? Other than the record number and the time, the records are identical to the following: =========================================================================== Record Number : 158345 Log Type : System Event Type : Error Time : 30/04/2019 18:33:50 Source : Schannel Category : 0 Event ID : 36888 User Name : SYSTEM Computer : Win7-PC Event Data Length : 0 Record Length : 128 Event Description : The following fatal alert was generated: 10. The internal error state is 10. =========================================================================== I would be grateful for any comments and advice. Thanks and cheers.

Hi, Continuing to get to grips with Lubuntu in my dual boot arrangement. I'm learning more about it every day. The latest thing was how to get Lubuntu to play back sound imported via the 'line-in' port on the rear of the computer. By default, for some reason unknown to me, Ubuntu and its derivatives do not play back 'line-in' sound although they recognise that the sound is coming in. It was a question of entering text into the terminal to alter the default and creating a script file to ensure the default was not returned on each system startup. One advantage of the dual boot arrangement I have found is that I can use Macrium Reflect in Windows 7 to create image backups of the Lubuntu partition. Macrium Reflect is far superior to the Linux image backup programs I've encountered. In my over enthusiasm to explore Lubuntu, I've messed things up a couple of times - booting from the Macrium Reflect rescue dvd, I was able to navigate to the Lubuntu image backup file stored on an external drive and restore it. The process was relatively quick and straightforward. What a pity Macrium don't produce a Linux version of their software because partition image backup and restoration on my Ubuntu desktop is a bit convoluted, laborious and not particularly user friendly - true it works but Macrium Reflect is so much more flexible and intuitive in use. Regards to all.

UPDATE: Hi Rustys and Tony D, Sorry to have taken so long to get back but my update of the situation will explain why. The computer manufacturer suggested I return the computer to base so I arranged this. Unfortunately the technicians could not replicate the problem I was getting but they updated the BIOS and returned the computer. For a few days it booted correctly so I thought that the BIOS update had removed a bug. However the boot problem returned. The manufacturer then arranged to collect the computer for further testing - this was just a couple of weeks before Christmas so I guessed it would be a little while before i got the computer back again. As before, the technicians could not replicate my boot problem so eventually decided to replace the motherboard and the SSD (the computer's operating system and programs are on a 120gb SSD and there is a 1tb HDD that holds my data files). The computer was then returned last week (23 January). Other than an initial problem when I tried to restore the SSD to its previous state using a backup image file but only succeeded in wiping the drive, the computer has behaved perfectly since. That problem was my fault and was easily rectified was I realized what had happened - I did think 'they've made it worse', panicked a bit and was prepared to ask for a replacement or my money back. When I calmed down and checked the BIOS, I could see the drive was not recognized at all - using good old GParted on a live usb flashdrive I saw the SSD was completely empty. Running the backup image software a second time successfully restored the the SSD and the computer has booted correctly ever since. I have now updated the software, updated the Clam anti-virus and updated all my data files with the changes that happened during the period of the computer's Christmas holiday. My learning experience continues as I increasingly get to grips with Ubuntu. What a relief, I'm so pleased things are resolved but it is still a mystery as to what was the actual cause of the boot problem. Cheers and a belated happy new year.

Hi Ijac, If you want a UEFI live Linux disc or usb flash drive any time, Puppy Xenial is pretty good. I have a live DVD of it which I can use on my other computer which has the Ubuntu 18.04 operating system in a 64 bit UEFI setup. Like with all Puppy Linux distributions, save files can be created for the live media so that all changes are recorded and so are still there when you next boot the media. It's better than the persistence option available for live usb flash drives running other Linux systems as it is much more flexible - the size of the save file not restricted in the same way as the live boot with persistence options commonly used. Also, when you boot Puppy Linux live media, it is copied into RAM and seems to run rather more quickly.

Hi Ijac, Thanks for your comments. To tell the truth, I didn't think about the possible UEFI issue when I started this thread but it is an important point. When I first got this particular computer, I got it without an operating system, bought an OEM copy of Windows 7 Professional 64 bit and installed that in legacy bios mode because, although I was not thinking about a possible Linux dual boot arrangement at the time; rightly or wrongly, I thought that legacy bios mode might be better suited to my live usb and dvd Puppy Linux media. So, by chance rather than forward planning, I didn't get any warning of a potential UEFI problem during my recent installation of Lubuntu. Cheers.

Hi Tony, By default, when you are in Lubuntu, the Windows partitions are not mounted. There's probably a way to mount them on startup but I haven't explored that option yet. However mounting Windows partitions is very straightforward as they are listed in the lefthand panel of the file manager (which has an icon on the panel). Just a single click on the Windows partition icon mounts and opens it. For the rest of the session an icon for the mounted partition will remain on the desktop unless you decide to unmount it. It's easy to copy files between the partitions using drag and drop, copy and paste etc. For most of my files, I don't bother as, when I am in Lubuntu, I use my Windows datafiles partition as just another storage location. You can edit the files in Lubuntu and save them back into the Windows location - once the Windows partition is mounted, it's very much like working on a multi-partitioned Windows system. The ease of working across partitions when in Lubuntu is not replicated when in Windows as Windows does not see the Linux partition in its file manager nor in 'My Computer'. However, if you need to adjust partition sizes at any time, the partition tools in Windows do see Linux partitions. Likewise, Macrium Reflect (and probably other imaging backup programs) does see them too so that program can be used from Windows to make image backups of Linux partitions such as, in my case, Lubuntu. I'm still very much at the bottom of the learning hill when it comes to using Lubuntu but I'm working my way through any issues that occur - the Ubuntu Forums has proved very helpful and, much like this forum, has experienced members who are very willing to help 'newbies' and who respond very quickly.

With 12 months to go before Microsoft ceases its support of Windows 7, I thought it time to consider what I would do as I've no intention of using Windows 10. Some have advised that setting up a dual boot arrangement is risky but I thought that, if I did do it, the advantage would be that I could keep Windows 7 for those peripherals that weren't compatible with Linux, disable the internet in Windows 7 and have a Linux system that could utilize the internet. I was somewhat apprehensive about the undertaking but believed that, if I created an image backup of the complete HDD first, should anything go wrong, I would be able to restore back to the situation I was in before. I previously had a dual boot arrangement on an old XP desktop - I set it up to dual boot with Puppy Precise 5.7 and that worked well for several years. Eventually, the age of the computer began to tell so I replaced it with a new desktop with Ubuntu 18.04 installed. Unfortunately there was an erratic motherboard problem which meant that sometimes the only way to boot the system was to enter the BIOS. The manufacturers thought they had resolved the issue but I have returned it a second time for a motherboard replacement under warranty. I had enough use of that system to see that I could get on with Ubuntu and therefore, I thought, with some of its lighter weight offshoots. Lubuntu came to mind so after, a bit of on-line investigation, I opted to try that in the dual boot arrangement with Windows 7. There was much useful guidance on the internet regarding dual booting Linux operating systems with a Windows system so I was able to prepare thoroughly. The first thing I did was to create the image backup of the complete hard drive which is 1TB partitioned with a small system partition, a main C: partition for the Windows 7 operating system, program files etc. and a data files partition I had created for my documents, pictures etc. The image backup was saved to an external drive using Macrium Reflect Free. The next task was to create space on the hard drive for the new Lubuntu 18.04 operating system. I decided that about 35gb to 40gb would be enough and that I could spare that from the data files partition. The built in disk partition management facility included with Windows 7 was more than adequate to cope with the job (I did have a copy of an Easeus partition management program that had lots more options but I didn't need them and kept things as simple as possible). With the Windows program, all I had to do was shrink the data files partition by the required amount which then became unallocated space. Now I required a live dvd or usb memory stick on which to install the Lubuntu 18.04 image file. I opted for a live dvd, downloaded the Lubuntu iso file, burnt it on to the dvd and booted the computer from the dvd. There were two options available: 1) 'Try Lubuntu' or 2) 'Install Lubuntu'. The former allows the user to try the operating system without making any changes to the system so is a good choice if the user is not yet 100% sure. There is a desktop icon for the installer so, if the user does decide to go ahead, installation can be carried out without rebooting to get the second option 'Install Lubuntu'. The next step, opting to install Lubuntu, was potentially the risky one as I would be committing to major changes but I need not have worried because I was led through each stage and provided with an option to go back if I was not sure I wanted to proceed to the next stage. It was reassuring to know that no changes would be fixed until the final stage. The first decision to make was the choice of language, in my case English (UK) and then the setting of the keyboard. Next there were options regarding software installation; I chose 'Minimal' as I only wanted a basic set of software which included the 'Firefox' web browser (it is essential to have a browser - if you don't like Firefox, you can install your preference later and remove Firefox). Now I had to choose the installation type which, for me, was 'Install Lubuntu alongside Windows 7'. I could have chosen 'Something else' which would have given more options regarding the Lubuntu partition(s) which occupy the unallocated drive space but I was happy to let Lubuntu use its default settings. This ran very smoothly - all I had to do was click 'Continue' to confirm each set of changes during the process. Just before the process completed, I was confronted with a world map on which to click my location (necessary for the system clock). After this, all that remained was to complete a form to include my name, the computer's name, a username and a password - there was also a choice to log in automatically or by password. Clicking 'Continue' at this stage led to the 'Welcome' screen and options to get the time from a network server and to view or skip new features. The installation was now complete - the system needed to be restarted (I held my breath) after which the 'Grub' boot screen appeared with five options. I was relieved to see '*Ubuntu' as the first option and 'Windows 7 (on /dev/sda1)' as the fifth option. I was even more relieved when both worked. Of course there was plenty to do after the installation. Even though I chose a minimal installation, there was software I didn't require and could remove and there were programs I needed so had to install. Fortunately the software manager makes this fairly straightforward. I also needed to enable the UFW firewall which, surprisingly, is disabled by default. My reservations about setting up this dual boot arrangement proved unjustified. The process could hardly have been less trouble free - I'm so glad I did it and can reassure others, who like me, may be nervous of attempting this kind of task, that with a bit of preparation and investigation on the web, it's not such a big deal.